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I voted Green... :(
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You can see the atheists' dilemma, then.

Seriously, though, can you name a "credible" party?
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The Hulk is green, and he's In-credible.
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Ain't no monster clown who is as lovable.
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Mark Ruffalo ftw.
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Do people still say ftw?
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For this week.
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Well that vote in Parliament was fairly conclusive.
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Gee, I hope Cameron doesn't think of me as a "terrorist sympathizer."
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Corbyn and McDonnell genuinely are terrorist sympathisers. Cameron's use of the phrase in the lead up to this debate though was ill-timed and unnecessary.
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Space Tycoon wrote:The Saudis have nothing to teach us about democratic politics or tolerance. Nothing at all.
Well, I guess they're trying at least:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35075702
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Is it wrong that these days, when I think that the Middle East is turning itself apart a voice in my head says "Let it!" ??
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I occasionally have a similar voice in my head. I think we all do.

But then I also have a voice in my head at 1 am telling me to buy drinks for the fat girl at the end of the bar. A little judgement goes a long way.

To answer your question, if you ignore the extent to which Western governments have exacerbated, or even outright caused, the unrest in the Middle East, often as a direct result of official policy, then yes, your little voice is wrong.

Policies such as: toppling regimes we don't like; providing aid to "freedom fighters" who are neither interested in freedom, nor are particularly good fighters; and selling about a HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS worth of modern arms to SA, various other Gulf States, and Israel.
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It's kind of confusing to know at this point what may be the best course of action in any of these situations. George W. Bush committed U.S. troops to a full "liberation"/invasion/restructuring of Iraq and failed miserably in his mission to stabilize the region. In 2011, Obama agreed to deploy limited U.S. forces in a supporting role in the military intervention in Libya, which also can't be considered a success. With the Syrian conflict, Obama has chosen to stay out pretty much altogether (only launching drone strikes). This also hasn't worked out all that well.

Could it be that the wrong options were chosen at the wrong times? It's possible. But it's also possible that any international (military) involvement only exacerbates the situation. I'm just glad I don't have to make these judgment calls.
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http://news.sky.com/story/1615767/iran- ... g-to-saudi

Saudi Arabia and Iran embark on a decade long war that brings both countries to their knees. Who wins? Humanity!
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Dalty wrote:http://news.sky.com/story/1615767/iran- ... g-to-saudi

Who wins? Arms dealers!
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Yeah - totally fair point!
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"Eastern Europe bristles after Cologne."

They're obviously setting up a joke with this headline.
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Jakarta yesterday, Burkina Faso this morning.
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Morgen die Welt!
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I prefer Black & Decker.
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